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	<title>Comments on: SR, SRO, and $1200+</title>
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	<description>Thoughts on theater in the Bay Area</description>
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		<title>By: Becca</title>
		<link>http://www.saturdaymatineeblog.com/2008/05/sr-sro-and-1200/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said I agreed with the lack of &quot;affordable&quot; Yo Yo Ma tickets, but I do see the other side of the coin. Remember that when you buy a CalPerformances, SF Ballet, SF Symphony, YBCA, SF Performances, etc., ticket, the price you pay does not fully cover the cost of one person seeing that performance. In fact, rarely do the presenters recoup their costs for the evening (for example, even with selling out YBCA&#039;s theater of about 755 seats, a dance performance with a high-quality company can&#039;t break even. The in-house and presenting costs are just too high.) Not-for-profits need to fundraise to cover a portion of their operating expenses. Otherwise, they need to pass on the additional dollars to you. So is it a good way to &quot;rake&quot; in some cash to support the rest of the season? Maybe. But is this the right way to gain new audiences? Probably not.

On a side note, if anyone wants to have an impact, picketing probably won&#039;t have much of an effect, as your audience probably won&#039;t care about those who can&#039;t afford the performance. But what about writing letters to the Chronicle, CalPerf, and especially Yo Yo Ma/his management?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said I agreed with the lack of &#8220;affordable&#8221; Yo Yo Ma tickets, but I do see the other side of the coin. Remember that when you buy a CalPerformances, SF Ballet, SF Symphony, YBCA, SF Performances, etc., ticket, the price you pay does not fully cover the cost of one person seeing that performance. In fact, rarely do the presenters recoup their costs for the evening (for example, even with selling out YBCA&#8217;s theater of about 755 seats, a dance performance with a high-quality company can&#8217;t break even. The in-house and presenting costs are just too high.) Not-for-profits need to fundraise to cover a portion of their operating expenses. Otherwise, they need to pass on the additional dollars to you. So is it a good way to &#8220;rake&#8221; in some cash to support the rest of the season? Maybe. But is this the right way to gain new audiences? Probably not.</p>
<p>On a side note, if anyone wants to have an impact, picketing probably won&#8217;t have much of an effect, as your audience probably won&#8217;t care about those who can&#8217;t afford the performance. But what about writing letters to the Chronicle, CalPerf, and especially Yo Yo Ma/his management?</p>
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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
		<link>http://www.saturdaymatineeblog.com/2008/05/sr-sro-and-1200/comment-page-1/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Becca, I&#039;m sure the view looks different from inside the administration, but from the outsider&#039;s point of view of an average slightly obsessed overenthusiastic audience member, I agree with sfmike on this one. Click on the link below for another viewpoint - he&#039;s much better at putting things into words than I am.

http://reverberatehills.blogspot.com/2008/05/glances-backwards-and-forwards.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Becca, I&#8217;m sure the view looks different from inside the administration, but from the outsider&#8217;s point of view of an average slightly obsessed overenthusiastic audience member, I agree with sfmike on this one. Click on the link below for another viewpoint &#8211; he&#8217;s much better at putting things into words than I am.</p>
<p><a href="http://reverberatehills.blogspot.com/2008/05/glances-backwards-and-forwards.html" rel="nofollow">http://reverberatehills.blogspot.com/2008/05/glances-backwards-and-forwards.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: sfmike</title>
		<link>http://www.saturdaymatineeblog.com/2008/05/sr-sro-and-1200/comment-page-1/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>sfmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 00:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Becca: It&#039;s called elitism, pure and simple. For instance, opening night at the San Francisco Opera is designed in every way, from its expensive dinners and balls and performance festivities, to appeal to the very wealthy and to encourage them to pony up large donations. Still, if you want to pay a nominal fee and buy a standing room ticket for that same performance, that option is also offered. In the case of Cal Performances, they are basically saying &quot;eff you, you&#039;re not invited to this performance unless you have at least $1,200 that you&#039;re willing to donate to us.&quot; It&#039;s outrageous and I hope there are pickets out in front of the church on the night of the performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Becca: It&#8217;s called elitism, pure and simple. For instance, opening night at the San Francisco Opera is designed in every way, from its expensive dinners and balls and performance festivities, to appeal to the very wealthy and to encourage them to pony up large donations. Still, if you want to pay a nominal fee and buy a standing room ticket for that same performance, that option is also offered. In the case of Cal Performances, they are basically saying &#8220;eff you, you&#8217;re not invited to this performance unless you have at least $1,200 that you&#8217;re willing to donate to us.&#8221; It&#8217;s outrageous and I hope there are pickets out in front of the church on the night of the performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Becca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to play devil&#039;s advocate, but the Yo-Yo Ma special event isn&#039;t even in Zellerbach; it&#039;s at the First Congregational Church. Definitely not a large venue, and one that probably would convince donors at the $1k level to pony up a little extra.  This is common with many of the local arts presenters and companies (and I&#039;ve worked for two different ones, so I&#039;ve seen this in action).  Would you prefer that they only advertised this to subscribers and patrons but not the general public?

But I have a feeling that our little posse of non-profit arts presenters (affiliated with a university or not) are probably having a tough time recruiting new younger audiences, and I&#039;d think that student discounts and rush would be a real positive way of initiate the new (paying) audience and potential donor base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to play devil&#8217;s advocate, but the Yo-Yo Ma special event isn&#8217;t even in Zellerbach; it&#8217;s at the First Congregational Church. Definitely not a large venue, and one that probably would convince donors at the $1k level to pony up a little extra.  This is common with many of the local arts presenters and companies (and I&#8217;ve worked for two different ones, so I&#8217;ve seen this in action).  Would you prefer that they only advertised this to subscribers and patrons but not the general public?</p>
<p>But I have a feeling that our little posse of non-profit arts presenters (affiliated with a university or not) are probably having a tough time recruiting new younger audiences, and I&#8217;d think that student discounts and rush would be a real positive way of initiate the new (paying) audience and potential donor base.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 03:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why pay $1200 and an additional $150 to see Yo-Yo Ma when you can see him at the local Costco selling his crappy Appalachian Spring’s cd.  How did he end up with a Stradivarius?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why pay $1200 and an additional $150 to see Yo-Yo Ma when you can see him at the local Costco selling his crappy Appalachian Spring’s cd.  How did he end up with a Stradivarius?</p>
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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anonymous #2, I see that you’re associated with Cal Performances - thanks for the presenting your side of things in a logical way. I understand that putting on concerts is expensive, but I’m entitled to my opinion that $1200 is a lot for required entry to a concert, even with a performer as amazing as Yo-Yo Ma. And as a struggling student who happens to love an expensive hobby such as theater, it’s even more of a challenge not to feel marginalized and blatantly excluded by such prices. I also disagree with the way it was marketed as a public event, yet it&#039;s obvious that a large percentage of the public will not be eligible to buy tickets. At least Cal Performances has a student policy, but I found that the rush is only available even less than half as often as other institutions such as the SF Ballet or the SF Symphony.

I just happen to feel that other arts organizations, such as the SF Ballet and SF Symphony, make an attempt to foster relationships with students such as myself. And when I finally graduate to become a doctor and hopefully have money to spend, I will be remembering these organizations that made an attempt to invest and foster a relationship with me, where I am familiar the organization, and donate and subscribe in return. Perhaps SFB and SFS&#039;s outreach to the entire community is the reason why their donor base is bigger.

It&#039;s certainly your prerogative to run an arts organization the way that you want to - I commend you for trying different ways to market and pull in more money in these unfriendly financial times, but it&#039;s also my right to have a respectful opinion. There is a reason why this entry has hit a nerve amongst readers - I&#039;ve received the most number of positive informative personal emails regarding this entry over any other entry (thanks everyone) and a few links as well. I know I&#039;m not the only one who feels the way that I do.

I still hold that what I can’t donate in money, I definitely make up for in enthusiasm and dragging everyone I know to see shows that they would otherwise never see! That&#039;s my contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anonymous #2, I see that you’re associated with Cal Performances &#8211; thanks for the presenting your side of things in a logical way. I understand that putting on concerts is expensive, but I’m entitled to my opinion that $1200 is a lot for required entry to a concert, even with a performer as amazing as Yo-Yo Ma. And as a struggling student who happens to love an expensive hobby such as theater, it’s even more of a challenge not to feel marginalized and blatantly excluded by such prices. I also disagree with the way it was marketed as a public event, yet it&#8217;s obvious that a large percentage of the public will not be eligible to buy tickets. At least Cal Performances has a student policy, but I found that the rush is only available even less than half as often as other institutions such as the SF Ballet or the SF Symphony.</p>
<p>I just happen to feel that other arts organizations, such as the SF Ballet and SF Symphony, make an attempt to foster relationships with students such as myself. And when I finally graduate to become a doctor and hopefully have money to spend, I will be remembering these organizations that made an attempt to invest and foster a relationship with me, where I am familiar the organization, and donate and subscribe in return. Perhaps SFB and SFS&#8217;s outreach to the entire community is the reason why their donor base is bigger.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly your prerogative to run an arts organization the way that you want to &#8211; I commend you for trying different ways to market and pull in more money in these unfriendly financial times, but it&#8217;s also my right to have a respectful opinion. There is a reason why this entry has hit a nerve amongst readers &#8211; I&#8217;ve received the most number of positive informative personal emails regarding this entry over any other entry (thanks everyone) and a few links as well. I know I&#8217;m not the only one who feels the way that I do.</p>
<p>I still hold that what I can’t donate in money, I definitely make up for in enthusiasm and dragging everyone I know to see shows that they would otherwise never see! That&#8217;s my contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous #2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jolene

I don&#039;t think you are demeaning Mr. Ma by assuming that he would play in your living room - back in his Harvard days, when his concerts would sell out, he would play mini-concerts in the lobby to those who couldn&#039;t get in. For such a small venue as FCC, Cal Performances needs to try to recoup the cost of the event. There doesn&#039;t seem anything wrong with trying to attract more donors so that CP can continue to present high quality events. Donors are what make it possible for all arts organizations in the US to continue to present quality programs. And Yo-Yo Ma is an artist who people are willing to pay a lot of money to see. Cal Performances does not have as large, or as generous a donor roster as the San Francisco Opera, Ballet, and Symphony and this could be a way they are trying to attract a larger donor base.

To defend Cal Performances, it is a non-profit, and a lot of their events are quite reasonably priced. Their recital prices are comparable to SF Performances, and less expensive than recitals presented at Davies.

They could have a better rush policy, but they are part of the University, and thus their priority is to serve the greater campus community and the students.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jolene</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you are demeaning Mr. Ma by assuming that he would play in your living room &#8211; back in his Harvard days, when his concerts would sell out, he would play mini-concerts in the lobby to those who couldn&#8217;t get in. For such a small venue as FCC, Cal Performances needs to try to recoup the cost of the event. There doesn&#8217;t seem anything wrong with trying to attract more donors so that CP can continue to present high quality events. Donors are what make it possible for all arts organizations in the US to continue to present quality programs. And Yo-Yo Ma is an artist who people are willing to pay a lot of money to see. Cal Performances does not have as large, or as generous a donor roster as the San Francisco Opera, Ballet, and Symphony and this could be a way they are trying to attract a larger donor base.</p>
<p>To defend Cal Performances, it is a non-profit, and a lot of their events are quite reasonably priced. Their recital prices are comparable to SF Performances, and less expensive than recitals presented at Davies.</p>
<p>They could have a better rush policy, but they are part of the University, and thus their priority is to serve the greater campus community and the students.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Katrina! It looks like it&#039;s written from an interesting point of view, I&#039;ll definitely take a closer look at it when I get a chance.

To Anonymous #2: I wasn&#039;t meaning to be specific, but to make a general point. I also didn&#039;t mean to demean Ma and his playing by assuming that he would ever play in my living room; he sounds like how every musician strives to sound like, without technique getting in the way. Or at least in my music playing days, I would have loved to have sounded like in my dreams. He is a movingly lyrical player. Listening to him play is like riding a tidal wave of emotion. Thanks for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Katrina! It looks like it&#8217;s written from an interesting point of view, I&#8217;ll definitely take a closer look at it when I get a chance.</p>
<p>To Anonymous #2: I wasn&#8217;t meaning to be specific, but to make a general point. I also didn&#8217;t mean to demean Ma and his playing by assuming that he would ever play in my living room; he sounds like how every musician strives to sound like, without technique getting in the way. Or at least in my music playing days, I would have loved to have sounded like in my dreams. He is a movingly lyrical player. Listening to him play is like riding a tidal wave of emotion. Thanks for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t related though I think Arts should be more accessible to everybody. here is a blog I think you might be interested in:
http://danceoutlook.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t related though I think Arts should be more accessible to everybody. here is a blog I think you might be interested in:<br />
<a href="http://danceoutlook.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://danceoutlook.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually you could not get Yo-Yo Ma to play in your living room for 12K. I&#039;m sure he commands a higher fee than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually you could not get Yo-Yo Ma to play in your living room for 12K. I&#8217;m sure he commands a higher fee than that.</p>
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